iPhone 13 Pro

Teddy_Dem

Teddy_Dem

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ProRes video recording up to 4K at 30 fps (1080p at 30 fps for 128GB storage)
Pro 12MP camera system: Telephoto, Wide, and Ultra Wide cameras
Telephoto: ƒ/2.8 aperture
Wide: ƒ/1.5 aperture
Ultra Wide: ƒ/1.8 aperture and 120° field of view
Cinematic mode for recording videos with shallow depth of field (1080p at 30 fps)
HDR video recording with Dolby Vision up to 4K at 60 fps
4K video recording at 24 fps, 25 fps, 30 fps, or 60 fps
1080p HD video recording at 25 fps, 30 fps, or 60 fps
720p HD video recording at 30 fps
Slo‑mo video support for 1080p at 120 fps or 240 fps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDKbwvSvg0w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3CZX-lnAIc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tl1RL8MRCA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfgdkcIUxw

Where is NorBro? I think he has been the person that has spoken the most about the eventual move to shifting focus in post. Seems that post-focus is limited to 1080p with the current technology.
 
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Oh, yeah. Here we go.

Kidding me with that cinematic mode quality for this first generation of new tech?

Regular cameras are absolutely finished.

This is my future passion, no doubt.
 
Pretty cool. Separate to the tech inside and even though you can rig up the phone, I'd still rather use something bigger to begin with and think the mirrorless with swivel screen is a really nice sweet spot for this type of shooting.
 
Teddy_Dem said:
Where is NorBro? I think he has been the person that has spoken the most about the eventual move to shifting focus in post. Seems that post-focus is limited to 1080p with the current technology.
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Sorry, I missed that the first time; I was too excited about the headline. lol

Focusing in post has been my dream for a while.

Because focusing a lens with your hand is superannuated.

I know...I know...it's art or whatever - but nah, not for me, not anymore.

AF has always been a temporary solution until the machines get it really right. Or at least it's a great solution for live products when post-production isn't really an option.

But if you have the opportunity to manipulate your focus with key frames in post, my gosh, who wouldn't want that?

The idea of turning a ring and engaging in this manual labor to make sure your image is clear is not a concept this future world will ever understand.
 
NorBro said:
But if you have the opportunity to manipulate your focus with key frames in post, my gosh, who wouldn't want that?

The idea of turning a ring and engaging in this manual labor to make sure your image is clear is not a concept this future world will ever understand.
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Not everyone will want the extra post step though. AF alone might be a temporary solution but I think it'll more work hand in hand - amazing AF as the default setting unless people want to change things in post.

Instead of getting it right in camera on set, you're sort of just delaying the task until post - you haven't eliminated the need for extra people.

Ideally it wouldn't be either/or. If you wanted, the operator could be embracing AF by themselves, a second person could be controlling focus on the day (with their iphone13), or the editor can tweak or focus from scratch in post.
 
Ideally the extra post step would involve running your finger over an NLE post-production touchscreen or an automated process by AI, but I do agree that they will definitely work together optimally hand-in-hand.

In general, I meant that all these years and all this R&D for AF has really been leading up to this point...being able to correct the focus in post if you wanted to.
 
Yeah definitely. Unless you want to work that way, it seems more like an insurance policy/get out of jail card. Depending on time focusing on set, it'd be tough to do in real time in post, so may be slower.

One major benefit I can think of is eliminating focus breathing, which you really have to pay to play when it comes to cinema lenses. If you take breathing out of the equation, which is one of the biggest gripes of those using the best cinema glass, I'm sure that would go a long way in getting those types of people on board.

On set monitoring is still a joke (the operator holding the cable walking through the grass). If everyone's phones had the ability for a zero-latency feed with no extra hardware, that would be hard to stop.
 
P.S. I say that last thing because it will be a cold day in hell when the Japanese sit around and lose their technological advanced feature integrity to Americans.

lol.

So what does that mean...it means focusing in post is undeniably coming to mirrorless' and cinema cameras.
 
rob norton said:
Yeah definitely. Unless you want to work that way, it seems more like an insurance policy/get out of jail card. Depending on time focusing on set, it'd be tough to do in real time in post, so may be slower.
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That's old-thinking though...
 
Picture a world like this....

It's 2072. Siri has been retired since 2050 and her replacement Veronika 2.8 is the most commonly used virtual assistant on planet Earth and planet Mars.

Veronika is now integrated into NLEs.

Some humans are in an editing suite somewhere in Australia.

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Human A: Veronika, mate, can we see Bob stay in focus as he walks to the door and just as soon as he touches the door knob to open the door and leave, can we rack focus to his wife's reaction?

Veronika: Confirmed.

[Humans watch playback.]

Human A: So, what'd you think?

Human B: I liked it, but let's try this: Veronika, can we actually show a close-up of the pair of keys on the table for 1 second - which Bob is seemingly forgetting - right when he's about to open the door and then rack focus from the keys to his wife's reaction?

Veronika: Scanning b-roll. It appears there are no close-ups of the keys in this current batch #832342. Would you like a crop from Camera B?
Native resolution: 24K. Camera operator: AI z3234, Type: Hovercraft

Human B: Sure, let's try it.
 
NorBro said:
Picture a world like this....

It's 2072. Siri has been retired since 2050 and her replacement Veronika 2.8 is the most commonly used virtual assistant on planet Earth and planet Mars.

Veronika is now integrated into NLEs.

Some humans are in an editing suite somewhere in Australia.

___

Human A: Veronika, mate, can we see Bob stay in focus as he walks to the door and just as soon as he touches the door knob to open the door and leave, can we rack focus to his wife's reaction?

Veronika: Confirmed.

[Humans watch playback.]

Human A: So, what'd you think?

Human B: I liked it, but let's try this: Veronika, can we actually show a close-up of the pair of keys on the table for 1 second - which Bob is seemingly forgetting - right when he's about to open the door and then rack focus from the keys to his wife's reaction?

Veronika: Scanning b-roll. It appears there are no close-ups of the keys in this current batch #832342. Would you like a crop from Camera B?
Native resolution: 24K. Camera operator: AI z3234, Type: Hovercraft

Human B: Sure, let's try it.
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I have no problem imaging this kind of a workflow being commonplace much sooner than that. Another 15 years? I wonder how much narrative is going to be enmeshed in gameplay & VR worlds & the viewer choosing the focus & POV instead. That is probably more likely to be the norm, certainly this far out. Movies will still exist of course, but maybe audiences will demand some kind of enhanced personalization
 
hojomo said:
I have no problem imaging this kind of a workflow being commonplace much sooner than that. Another 15 years? I wonder how much narrative is going to be enmeshed in gameplay & VR worlds & the viewer choosing the focus & POV instead. That is probably more likely to be the norm, certainly this far out. Movies will still exist of course, but maybe audiences will demand some kind of enhanced personalization
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There will definitely be some sort of interactive entertainment like that. Why not, right? Someone will do it. But I also don't know how popular it will be for everyone because people don't want to think too much and have to do "work" while being entertained.

But maybe there will be movies where you even make decisions like those books they used to have for kids where you had a choice to make after reading a few pages. You'd then turn to a certain page based on the choice you made and it would or could turn into a different story.

As far as the mixture, the computer technology will continue to heavily change films. It's good and bad. A little depressing. It is what it is.

rob norton said:
Haha nice future scenario. Shouldn't we have done away with physical keys by then?
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haha. Touché.
 
It looks great for a phone, and the tech behind it is fantastic, but it still looks like professionally lit low end DSLR to me. Apple certainly won’t be using it as an A cam for See or Ted Lasso. At the end of the day this camera is made from cheap sensor tech and is only a side feature in a $1,200 device filled with features.

Imagine what Apple could do if they focused on making a professional camera using high end sensors, no consumer friendly constraints. Instead of cramming it all into a phone for around grand, they actually spread their wings to make a pro camera with a much higher price tag. I would love to see Apple swing for the fence and insert this tech into a legit cinema camera. A pro body with multiple S35 sensors fixed with the best glass out there. It could be revolutionary.
 
Rumors of them making a cinema camera started back to 2015 when they started working with RED on some stuff and briefly sold the RAVEN bundle in the Apple store for a year or so (lol on that), but nothing of course came out of it. I still think they could but I don't know if they'd be interested.

Ideally they improve on this phone tech and actually offer a more expensive phone with better chips and company like RED planned to do.

Maybe with some Apple-made modules for ProRes RAW and what not.
 
NorBro said:
The idea of turning a ring and engaging in this manual labor to make sure your image is clear is not a concept this future world will ever understand.
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I'm starting to get the impression that you really hate manual labor.

Also - pulling focus is labor?
 
Well, of course it is. Unnecessary mental labor.

Having to worry about focusing an image is silly.

Stuff like that won't exist in the future.
 
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